Lad have just published the following video of William Mawhinney, Secretary of the Grand Orange Lodge of Belfast, allegedly shot at the Twaddell interface yesterday, Saturday 6th October 2013.
Somebody tell me it’s a Parody. It has to be. The reactions around him speak volumes. Although in all fairness the actor on his shoulder is the spitting image of the bould Nelson McCausland. Surely he isn’t actually saying this?
With thanks to Galloper Thompson (Don’t ask) here is the full speech:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXrVfsJlfWk
"We in coming days may be" 
William doesn’t sound like he is from this island? Why doesn’t he go home…
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Ulster- Celt,
I’d disagree with that comment- actually very close to deleting it.
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BD
Parody,dear fellow.parody.Snoop John b style….
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The speech appalled me. Have included all of it (didn’t find the highlighted version) in my latest post “The Orange Order; the way forward” Hope you enjoy it. Please feel free to add your own answers to all the “strategic questions” Best to all. Ben
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Last month the EDL’s ‘Tommy Robinson’ was arrested and charged following disturbances at a parade he’d organised. As I recall, it was enough that it was his moniker in the application form.
Its long, long past time that this was applied here.
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My initial response was exactly that of Ulster Celt. My considered is the same as my initial response. Mawhinney and his rabble rousing have no place here.
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FF,
The words of the”Famine Song” are what is applied by the West Scottish “follow followers” of a certain new Glasgow football club towards those of an Irish origin in that part of the world. The Irony is entirely lost on the followers of the same club who parrot the same against their perceived rivals here.
I myself, am a republican. I welcome all who live on this island as equals.
It is on that basis that Mawhinney and the idiots surrounding him in the above video should be told to (excuse me) gtf.
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I’d rather see Abu Qatada in our midst to be honest.
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Essentially Orange Leaders are second raters who cant make it as politicians and go the Orange route (no pun intended) and this eejit is no different. Tommy Passmore comes to mind. And William Gracey who vowed to sit in his caravan at Drumcree until they got down the Garvaghy Road. On two seperate occasions I brought American friends past the caravan but no sign of the Fool On The Hill.
I detected a different tone from others in the speech. Despite the rhetoric, these people want a way out.
Personally Id let them rot in their Civil Rights camp. And presumably the only reason that PSNI has been holding back (and I include the Fleggers here) is they have been told it will make the situation worse.
There is clearly a different rule for right wing thugs in Basildon than in Belfast. but nobody wants to upset the Tourist Board-letsgetalongerist narrative…isnt Belfast a cool city and all that.
Things will get worse…much much worse before they get better. And I am not just talking about Twaddel Avenue.
I have a son who thinks “The Blame Game” is hilarious. One of the amusing things about being my advanced age is that young people keep discovering things they think I never heard about.
The Beatles. The Eagles. Monty Python. The Goons.
We are as I have said far too often re-living the 1960s. A time of passivity …post-conflict as the jargon says….just twenty years after the Welfare State and all that. Give a catholic a job and a house and he will stop being a nationalist and our sordid little politics will sort itself out.
And sure we can laugh about it with Tim McGarry (brother of a prominent Alliance man) and Jake O’Kane…..I have had funnier kidney stones.
James Young …ah “wud ya stap all the fighting” did it as badly.
Comedy here was always crap.
Yet down around Smithfield in Belfast there was Emerald Records…and they put out singles in the post Conflict 1960s and a charming schoolgirl called Maggie Teggart (16) told us about Ulsters Top Ten.
You might be thinking….Maggie Teggart ???is that BBC NornIrons Education correspondent….and you’d be right. We all start somewhere. and like I say Im so old that I cant really get past Maggie telling us that Jim Reeves “This World Is Not My Home….Im Justa passing Thru” was #1 yet again.
But there were other songs…Up Went Nelson, The Bridge and The Orange and the Green.
check the last one out….its on YouTube by the Liverpool folk group the Spinners (of blessed memory). how we laughed…a wee lad with a Orange Daddy and KafflicK mammy.
What could possibly go wrong. Rev Ian Paisley was just a fringe figure and a relic of a bygone age.
What could possibly go wrong?
Likewise these dinosaurs at Twaddel Avenue ….what can possibly go wrong.
These are the dog days of the Assembly and the Good Friday Agreement. and….Creative Ambiguity.
It is finished.
And as the greybearded ones said back then….it will get worse before it gets better.
Does anyone doubt it.
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I agree with FJH’s sentiments and have said so on other threads – there’s only really two routes. Either we do all get along (not likely) or the other option (unthinkable).
Ever feel that you’re in the middle of something that’s a bit like a waiting room but you have to go through into the dentist’s chair, or the interview, or the courtroom, to face the music? That’s almost the feeling I get from the tenuous survival of Stormont at the minute and I’ve got a funny feeling that’s the way things were in the late sixties too.
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Its simple.
We are only ever in three stages…Pre Conflict, Conflict and Post Conflict.
It all depends when we are born and die but we get on and off that conveyor belt at one stage or another.
1952 was post-conflict (although I knew nothing really until 1963).
1967 was pre-conflict
1969-1998 (actually a little earlier) was Conflict.
1998-until a year or so ago…was Post Conflict.
Now I believe we are in a pre-conflict situation. We will stumble into Conflict again. its inevitable.
We built a peace on a lie. Creative Ambiguity. We dont deserve anything better.
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Profound thoughts and Chilling!
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Perhaps because I am of a different generation, I would be a little more optimistic but the contributions above from FJH and Carrickally are indeed chilling MPG.
Nevertheless, it’s the old thing about being condemned to repeat our past if we learn nothing from it.
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I would err towards optimism too, and I hope this isn’t just wishful thinking. I agree that the letsgetalongerist narrative is essentially a lie, although I don’t know how many others share this view. I’m optimistically looking towards the 2016 elections, although whether the Assembly lasts that long remains to be seen. If nothing else, we live in interesting times.
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Yes, let’s get along is living with the big lie, akin to African nations formed from imperial boundaries rather than tribal. Let’s face it, there’s two tribes and within each there’s an intelligensia who want to get along. As for the rest, that’s not even an option. As MPG says, chilling and maybe pessimistic. I’d love to be wrong but all the signs are pointing to the triumph of the lowest common denominator from each tribe. For every Mawhinney there’s a Kelly and if they get the upper hand on opinion-forming, we’re all screwed.
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Carrickally,
Very interested in what you are saying and particularly the fact that you and FJH are remarkably close in what you are saying although from differing viewpoints. Only point I’d argue with is that Kelly has moved in his position and broadly moved his constituency with him. He is also elected. Mahwhinney is unelected and hasn’t moved the proverbial inch since 1690 from what I can see.
That is the difference between leadership and demogography.
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Heh heh, Dub. Your obsession with demography had blinded you to demagoguery
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Pre-conflict phase!!! Come on fellows the last 14months of rioting is well below the level of Brixton and Toxteth in 82/83. Dublin has 10 times the level of shootings and conflict. Indeed one has to return to the early 90s to get anywhere near the cancerous violence of North Clondalkin or the NE fringe of Dublin city.
What is be prophesied here is that a rabble in a few ‘loyalist’ redoubts around Belfast are going to halt the inevitable end-game which is an All-Ireland solution.
It’s there in the census, the population of the Ards Pelinsula has trebled since the 70s. The bastions of ‘no surrender’ have emptied and a la Dunkirk instinctively congregated at the easiest escape route to their mainland ‘Motherland’. I echo Bangordub that they should reconsider and engage in the important task of transforming our beautiful island. But make no mistake we are not in a pre conflict phase but instead well into a mopping up operation.
If I’m wrong then what is predicted here is that Ballymena’s 11,000 Catholics are the this decades Bombay Street. No way!
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mekonged,
‘It’s there in the census, the population of the Ards Pelinsula has trebled since the 70s.’
Do the stats really support this?
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Maybe a bit hyperbolic. All the unionist dominated villages have doubled since 1971. Since the late 90s theres been a major heomoraging in inner East Belfast and along the loyalist end of the Donegal Road.
I’d need Hewetic eloquence and license to make a proper stab at where I’m going but briefly Irish people derived from the 17th C settlers arrived first touched down in the Ards hinterland before dispersing around the Ulster countryside. DNA suggests in this mostly halcyon period that they became indistinguisable from the Gael, the industrialisation of Belfast saw the countryside empty and as the 19thC progressed the Crown overseers and Employers played the sectarian card to diminish unity and sedify cultural ghettoes. Post the Ulster Covenant the Belfast loyalist community were supremacist in attitude and ignorant of their mixed rural heritage. Post-industrialisation and the failure of the British War Machine and Loyalist Supremacists to contain the nationalist advancement many have become alienated within their ‘wee country’, brain drain to the ‘Mainland’ and in increasingly Republican dominated Belfast we have Protestant ‘Flight’. Interestingly the last Census indicates that the coastal Villages facing southern Scotland and Cumbria are the main beneficiaries of this departure. Is there something instinctive to this for a people who have jettisoned or more correctly,for two centuries now, been disabused by the Autocracy of their Irishness? Is history going in circles?
If my thesis has merit than I believe it is imperative for all Irish Republicans to be steadfast with the mantra of inclusiveness. Irish Rugby, Boxing, Golf, Music, Theatre is shared. People called Penrose have played for Tyrone. I’d guess as many as a quarter of Ulster Catholics have a British family name. Inclusiveness is why the London Crown had great difficulty subjugating Ireland, Silken Thomas, the De Burga, the Ormonds and Wolfe Tone.
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At some point in my lifetime….Divis Street Riots, fiftieth anniversary of Easter rising or the “new” reformed UVF blowing up things…we moved from Post Conflict to Pre Conflict.
I know that circa 1963 my little football team from a mixed street was playing ad hoc football matches in “jumpers for goalposts” in Falls, Woodvale, Ormeau, Botanic parks. I know that circa 1966 I met a girl at a legion of Mary tea dance at Derryvolgie Avenue and she said she lived over the bridge and we thought it was the bridge at Tate’s Avenue …on our route back to the Falls Road. Turned out she was from the Short Strand. And I know the Sunday night before my first O Level in 1968, I was baby sitting in Ardoyne and missed my bus home….and walked alone down Crumlin Road, across Tennant street across Shankill down some street which led to Cupar Street across Falls Road down Leeson Street…home.
And while my father was worried about the nocturnal stuff…he would inevitably bring up the murder gangs from the 1930s ….thirty odd years before….ancient history to a teenager.
yet 5 or 6 years ago, I was going boogaloo at the thought that my son was living in the Holyland and thinking nothing of walking up the Ormeau Road….and he’d tell me that its all over….the 1970s were 30 years ago.
So….I see the signs. We have already moved into Pre-Conflict.
Its not a question of IF.
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Of course we always have the potential to lurch back into armed conflict – we live on a political fault line. But nothing of that sort is inevitable, not by a long shot.
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I’m with you on that line of argument FF but these boys have been around a while. They have to be proved wrong. That’s the tricky part
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Instead what we see are the satirists who holds up a mirror to ‘these boys’ are being censored, while for bigots it’s business as usual. Meantime the mainstream media opt for spurious balance and mouth letsgetalongerist platitudes.
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And they wonder why the English want nothing – absolutely nothing – to do with Ulster unionism. This is the kind of outrageous bigotry that has done so much damage to unionism and which belongs to the 17th rather than the 21st century.
The only way unionism can possibly survive in NE Ulster is by expanding it’s market share i.e., reaching out to the Nationalist community and try to win their votes. Instead however, it is abundantly clear that the Orange Order is absolutely determined to ensure this will not happen – and thereby ensure that unionists will be the minority in the North by 2020.
A Nationalist majority will be a major game-changer in the North – and it is clear that London will welcome this. After all, London signed the divorce papers in 1998.
Unionists have nothing to fear from a Re-United Ireland – Nationalists want to re-unite the country and we have zero interest in lording it over unionists – as we can see from the video, that’s an Orangey-unionist thingy which has no place in the 21st century and will have no place in a Re-United Ireland.
It’s all good.
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